Tink I did watch the whole interview...found it quite poignant. Was reminded of George Orwell's definition of a tragedy (memory might be a bit fallible from ~60 years ago), something like "a tragedy exists precisely when the right does not triumph, but it is still felt that man is nobler than the forces which overcome him."
I have wondered what kind of power George Bridges wielded, that the board did not call him to account, possibly even fire him; well, these two discuss that the board could not admit they made a mistake in hiring Bridges!
Bret is still doing his best to spread this powerful dialogue/dialectic (NOT debate!) that cradles this wonderful chemistry of minds building upon each other for more than the sum of the parts, but it's not as effective as Evergreen's unique venue...however, he could not have acted otherwise for the sake of staying there...must be true to the principles... professor-in-exile.
Several more very fine points they brought out...truly a delight, I thought.