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Is this reliable information? I have been trying to follow the health care progress...and came upon this statement, that suggests bias:

"Instead, Donald Trump evidently lacked the political capital and intellectual substance to forge any kind of compromise on health care. He apparently went into office with next to no idea of what he wanted in terms of policy, and his famed “deal-making” ability either disappeared or was rendered null by his unpopularity, dearth of political experience, and general unwillingness to grasp how Washington works."

To be fair, the NR then followed with this statement:

"Senate Democrats might believe that they’ve kept their hands clean by refusing to work with Republicans on reform, but that silence has made them far from guiltless... Democratic senators — as an entire bloc — have flatly refused to consider altering even one word of the flawed legislation ..."

http://www.nationalreview.com/article/449605/health-care-obamacare-american-health-care-act-blame-game-republicans-democrats-congress-trump

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Yes, I am afraid that the "Blame Game" and "Scapegoating" is as old as humanity and part of human nature, but in politics, business, society, religions and education, it is particularly destructive, as those having the power (or the wealth) are rather blaming others than taking responsibility for their own fails, wrongs, or greeds.

https://www.brainyquote.com/quotes/quotes/h/huberthhu135331.html

https://www.psychologytoday.com/blog/what-would-aristotle-do/201207/stop-playing-the-blame-game

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scapegoating

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Victim_blaming

https://www.irishtimes.com/news/health/the-destructive-power-of-misplaced-guilt-1.1343286

http://theconversation.com/the-dirty-politics-of-scapegoating-and-why-victims-are-always-the-harmless-easy-targets-66963

https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/how-wealth-reduces-compassion/

https://phys.org/news/2012-02-upper-class-people.html

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and that reminds of

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Feudalism

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Law_of_the_jungle


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Marianne, I have spent about 45 minutes looking through those links. You looked at the Q in somewhat different aspect than I anticipated ... and the links are fascinating!

For example from the links, scientific studies seem to demonstrate that apparently the wealthy and upper classes consistently show more greed, more cheating, less compassion. And the idea that blame is an integral part of politics is just scary...the Hubert Humphrey quote you found ... "To err is human. To blame someone else is politics."

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Do you yourself ever do writing, or journalism? Or did you, before your retirement? I think you would be quite objective in your assessments!

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Virginia, yes, you saw that correctly (I tried to find reliable links regarding a more direct answer, but no information gave a really logical - or, at least, a clear, unbiased explanation - exactly because every side was overly criticising and blaming the other interest groups, instead of making the least effort to find bearable solutions, or at least to open the door for a dialogue).

And I think that Hubert Humphrey expressed very well his own unease about the political "power games", and if we look into history, the same behavioural patterns and strategies applied in the past. We could even add business and religions.

And in spite of the many dissonances in technological, moral, natural, psychological or medical sciences, quite a few reasonings and findings sound very convincing and logical, and human nature is one of the keys to get a better understanding of attitudes, interests and views.

Lol, I was no real journalist - I was a translator and "allrounder"; I only wrote a few impressions, articles and/or rhymes about excursions, events, birthdays for colleagues, etc., and our Institute's as well as our Association's "newspaper".

Well, I am trying to look into all the aspects and try to be, as much as possible, objective, but information is often incomplete, and in the end, many suggestions and requests for further inquiries were either transmitted to experts, authorities, etc., submitted to reviews, or the votings favoured other proposals. But in spite of unfavourable circumstances and the lengthy, tortuous administrative paths, some little progresses were made.


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Marianne, I did go to WikiP to learn more about HHH; and their view is that although he is known as one of America's greatest politicians, he still sold "huge chunks of his political soul" to curry favor with President Lyndon Johnson and become his vice president. Apparently, LBJ had a way of forcing other politicians to do his bidding. LBJ would say "I've got his pecker in my pocket."

And the sad part is that in retrospect, it appears Humphrey would actually have had a better chance of winning the presidency if he had repudiated LBJ, kept his integrity and just stayed in the US Senate, biding his time!

But politicians have to live with the fact that, "if you don't win the election, you can't do any good works."

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Perfectly correct, Virginia!

Yes, if considering the many intrigues and on-going fights at "upper levels", I am also wondering if honest politicians (and who is really honest?) can succeed in the presently rather troubled times, as most of the populations have either lost confidence or are listening to extremists. And the "right" relations and sponsors are important. Additionally, a politician supported and financed by a group or party would be considered a traitor, if he would oppose those "who fed him".


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In discussing this with O'Tink, Marianne, I don't think she is optimistic about honest politicians succeeding in our present day...

I believe I have seen a few honest politicians at the local level, but apparently true honesty becomes virtually impossible at national levels...?

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Yes, Virginia, even if I believe that there are still quite a few honest politicians around; as you say it, they will either remain at local levels, and the very few who made or make it to the "upper ranks", were or are facing an "impossible task", unless using the same means as their ennemies - and if looking into world history, quite a few popular leaders, alongside with despots and other politicians, disappeared too quickly.

Let's say that I am sceptic.

:O:)

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Ha ha, sceptic is a good word for it, Marianne!

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Lol, Virginia - and being sceptic also refers to reflecting, questioning, or looking for evidence:

https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/skeptic

And I think that it allows also some humour.

:unsure::O:angel::D:D


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...and a big hurrah for the humour aspect of skepticism, Marianne!

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Lol, Virginia - hurrah - I went on a little "discovery tour":

:D:angel::D

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Oh Marianne...sometimes, late at night, I see something on SOLVED and I cannot help breaking into laughter, with concern about waking my neighbors. Well tonight, just now, it was your cartoon!

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Lol - it was one of these on-line discovery, which is so great to share with my friends.

:angel::D:D

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Yes, I read articles in National Review from time to time, but with the caveat that it is primarily a journal of opinion, in this case generally the opinion of what I would call the genteel Right.

Founded by William F. Buckley, National Review has been around for 60 or 70 years, and in its early days at least, it said right on its cover that it was a journal of opinion.

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National Review never supported Trump, saying or at least implying from the beginning that he was too crude for their taste. Not that they liked Hillary or the Democrats either, but I suspect National Review would have been reconciled with Hillary as President, provided there were Republican majorities in both houses of Congress. Nevertheless, I'm sure they were pleased with Trump's Supreme Court appointment of Gorsuch, so it's a mixed bag.

I remember often watching Buckley's TV show, "Firing Line" on PBS in the 90s. He had interesting guests and always presented his conservative views in an intelligent and witty manner, quite a class act.

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O'Tink, ty, with just TWO answers, you and Marianne, I feel that I have already received very helpful information. SOLVED is a small site, with all participants very high quality.

I have never taken an interest in politics or economics until now, and as you know under duress...but I do recall my family's high opinion of William F. Buckley.

These two excerpts from NR do fit the definition of opinion; I like that they criticized both "sides," and that (at least at one point) NR freely admitted they were publishing opinions. 

* Now I will go see what I can learn about Gorsuch! Also (sigh), I have just subscribed to a weekly news magazine...taking a deeper plunge into actually participating in the (putative) democracy...

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Virginia, as Churchill said, "Democracy is the worst form of government, except for all the others." :(

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O'Tink, I take delight in that saying of Churchill, as with "When you are going through H3LL, keep on going"...on and on; he was a phenomenon unto himself, the right person for the place and time...oh, and his comment about ending a sentence with a preposition? ...something about "up with which I will not put"...? And, he never cursed Hitler, but called him a "plague bacillus;" MUCH more effective...

...but I am learning that capitalism is by nature non-democratic; "capitalist democracy" actually being something of an oxymoron...and maybe capitalism, as such, with this last devastating crash has pretty much had its run. 

What I am hoping now, is that maybe together we will evolve something new and wholesome, and without those horrendous descents into violence that 'vomit up' them nasty characters (a tendency you first pointed out to me)...we need enough flavour of capitalism to keep the creativity and innovation flowing, with enough foundation of democratic workplace to keep the economy stable...no one able to  commandeer and run the economy over a cliff ever again...

Anyway, that is why I keep studying; I know that just the awareness helps, in and of itself...

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Well! Sorry there, your brief little comment kinda opened something I have been pondering.  ;)  :sleeping:

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Virginia, I think that no matter what the system is, corruption is bound to set in, unless you have separation of powers, with checks and balances. One-party rule is certainly not it, and neither is an entrenched bureaucracy. And even governments fail, typically every 100 years or so, repudiating their debts, inflating the currency, or otherwise financially screwing their citizens, if not worse.

Heck, even the mass-murderer Mao called for perpetual revolution when he realized his Party functionaries were corrupt.

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Well, sad but (historically) true...

I have been reading about the concept of 'social contract,' coming out of the Enlightenment and highly influential for the US Founding Fathers, esp. Jefferson and Madison...

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